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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 08:12
by H_Nutczak
Chuckwagon, what concerns me about your recipes is that they have no active curing ingredient such as "Sodium Nitrite"

I advocate that if any meat is going to get smoked or dehydrated at temperatures between 40-140, that a cure be used to help combat harmful bacterial growth.

A smoker is a perfect environment for C. Botulinum to propagate, here is why;
typically smoking temps are between 40-140 which are perfect for its growth
the smoke creates a "Low-Oxygen" environment which C. Botulinum requires to grow.

Plus the use of a proper curing agent will help the meat retain the red color commonly associated with smoked/dried meats.
using a cure also changes the texture and flavor of meat to a more palatable texture.

I use a very simple recipe for jerky,
1.5 tsp of salt per pound of meat
and for each 5 pounds of meat, add 1 level tsp of Cure #1
coat the meat evenly with the salt and cure mixture, let cure for 48 hours
rinse the meat under cold running water, pat dry, sprinkle blk pepper on to taste dry ate temperatures under 120 degrees with light smoke added, it is best to let the meat feel tacky to the touch before adding any smoke, watch those temps, do not cook the meat just let it dry slowly.

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 09:26
by Chuckwagon
Hey Hey Nutzee, Where ya been?

You wrote:
Chuckwagon, what concerns me about your recipes is that they have no active curing ingredient such as "Sodium Nitrite"
I advocate that if any meat is going to get smoked or dehydrated at temperatures between 40-140, that a cure be used to help combat harmful bacterial growth.
Nutzer you been drinkin` rookus juice again? Go back and re-read my post. I clearly state:
you will need to add Cure #1 accordingly. Our American Cure is much stronger than your Peklisol. Please be very careful to add the right amount. For really good jerky, just grind the meat, add the cure and spices, mix well and press the raw meat onto sterile screens to dry.
I couldn't agree with you more when you said, "typically smoking temps are between 40-140 which are perfect for its (botulinum) growth."

In fact, if you will look in the "tech" forum, you'll see that I posted an entire article about nitrites, nitrates, and their effect upon raw meats.

Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 10:39
by Chuckwagon
My jerky recipes above are for only 2 lbs. (907 gr.) of meat. In America, this amount of meat requires merely 2.26 g. of Cure #1. In Poland, 907 grams of meat (2 lbs.) requires 23.5 g. of Peklosol.

In America, it is much more simple to make 5 lbs. of jerky using one level teaspoon of Cure #1. In Poland, 2268 grams (5 lbs.) of meat requires 59 g. of Peklosol. However, not everyone likes 5 lbs of jerky all at once. Some folks just don`t eat enough of it to warrant making 5 pounds of the stuff at one time. For this reason, I formulated the recipes for two-pound batches only.

Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon

Moose or Elk Jerky

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 14:46
by unclebuck
Brine the I have used for my moose & elk jerky for many years based on 5lb of meat-works equally well with beef.

1 tsp prague cure #1 for each 5 lbs meat. (added by moderator by request)
8 cups filtered water
2 T uniodized salt
4 T Mrs. Dash original seasoning
1/2 cup demarara sugar
1/2 cup fancy molasses
3/4 cup soy sauce
1/3 cup worcestershire sauce
1 1/2 T crushed garlic
1 1/2 T onion powder
1 T red pepper flakes

Mix in stainless steel bowl or stone crock.

Slice meat across the grain 1/4" thick and submerge in brine overnight in refrigerator. Drain in morning and lay out on racks to air dry for an hour or so. Put in either smoker or dehydrator to dry(meat should still be pliable)and then smoke to your particular palate!!!

Enjoy.

Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 15:51
by unclebuck
I forgot to include 1 tsp prague #1 for each 5 lbs meat.

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 15:20
by Chuckwagon
Good one unclebuckeroo!
Sure glad you remembered the Cure #1. Mighty important it is. Thanks for posting & sharing your recipe. I'm intrigued by the "Mrs. Dash" seasoning. I've got to try it in jerky. Hmmm, just when I thought I'd seen it all. :wink:
Is it going to thaw out up there? How thick does the ice have to be to be able to drive your truck out on it? I read somewhere that 4 inches would hold up a locomotive! :shock:

Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon

Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2011 16:18
by unclebuck
I won't venture out on the ice with my pickup unless I have at least 8" of ice!!! I have had too many friends drop their vehicles through thinner ice, rushing the mode of transport and having them "written off" by insurance

Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 00:43
by Chuckwagon
The server won't let me in Siara. I may have to use a wrench! :lol:
Chuckwagon

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:00
by steelchef
We make a lot of jerky from venison, both deer and elk, also moose, bison and caribou. Our approach is to prepare a marinade of ingredients that we enjoy. Our general tendency is toward East Asian flavours, soy, sesame, five spice or anise etc. We also enjoy Worcester based marinades. Tamarind is a great flavour to experiment with. Experimentation is the only way to find your faves. My wife is hooked on Teriyaki. I prefer a little more ginger and garlic with a soy sauce base. These flavours and spices will incidentally work well in sausage making. I am presently experimenting and will advise the forum when I have product(s) worthy of publishing.

Most jerky recipes will advise you to cut the meat with the grain as opposed to against it. We find that to be too chewy, so we cut it cross grain or on a bias.

Jerky was originally developed for preservation so many recipes contain much more salt than is necessary or desirable, (for health reasons.)

We freeze our production in snack sized vacuum bags. My wife (Barb) often takes a bag or two of jerky and a Ziplock with a variety of veggies as a lunch. She grazes on it throughout the day and arrives home with a good appetite for supper.

Here`s a big tip: Keep the kids out of it. They will eat it until full, then when it rehydrates in their tummy`s; major pain, constipation and general grief for all involved. This is from personal experience.


Teriyaki Jerky

For 5-lbs of lean red meat:

1.25 C Soy Sauce
1/2 C Worcestershire
1 tsp Garlic Powder
1 tsp Onion Powder
1 tsp Smoky Paprika
1 tsp Black Pepper, freshly ground
3/4 C. Brown Sugar
1 Tbsp Sesame Oil
2 Tbsp Dry Sherry
1/2 tsp ground white pepper
2 Tbsp Sesame oil
1/2 tsp ground ginger
2-3 green onions (scallions)
1-2 cloves fresh garlic

Blend on high until emulsified.

Slice partially frozen meat into strips 1/4 " thick. (Be sure that there is liitle or no fat included.)
Marinate for 24-36 hours in the fridge. On the day of drying: drain for an hour. Before smoking, hang on toothpicks from racks for more drying space (Thanks for the tip, Stogie).

Dry/Smoke for 1-6 hours at 150°. Use smoke for first 3 total hours, then just dry. Start sampling at 3 total hours until desired dryness, smokiness is achieved. I find that 3 total hours of smoke, and about 6 hours of total drying work for me. All depends on thickness of meat and personal tastes. (This can also be prepared without smoke in a dehydrator. Suggest adding 1 teaspoon of liquid smoke if you choose this method.)

Apple, maple or other softer smoke flavours are preferable to the heavier hickory or oak for this application.

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This batch was done in the Little Chief. the rack is only 12" square.

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:02
by SikaStag
Thank you Maxell
I have seen a really good venison recipe on the Polish site, the translation is not very good, I may ask for your assistance in translating this for me.

I have been watching the news on the Earthquake and Tsunami in Japan, beyond belief the devastation that has hit the country. How long it will take for the country to recover from this is any-ones guess, mass areas of agriculture have been washed away. How they will be able to grow enough food to feed the nation will be a challenge. My heart goes out to them.

Ian

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:06
by Maxell
Write about what recipe it walks?

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:10
by SikaStag
Nice one Colin. Thank you, this is a must try recipe.

I have been reading up on Jerky and Biltong.
I do not want to upset any people here but what I read on web sites is that Biltong is way better than jerky. This is just what I have read not my opinion, I would love to hear some feed back from any members that may have experience with both types of dried meat. I would appreciate any feedback.

Ian

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:17
by steelchef
Ian,

Biltong is just Dutch for meat strips. This link may clear it up. The South Africans simply use 'bush meat' in the same ways we do and flavour it to their liking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biltong

Cheers,
Colin

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:22
by SikaStag
This is the page that I really like. I can not translate all. Is there any recipes that I could follow to make this type of meat.

http://www.wedlinydomowe.pl/articles.php?id=1716

This is my translation.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/ ... NQR75_JdvQ

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 12:33
by steelchef
SikaStag wrote: I have been watching the news on the Earthquake and Tsunami in Japan, beyond belief the devastation that has hit the country. How long it will take for the country to recover from this is any-ones guess, mass areas of agriculture have been washed away. How they will be able to grow enough food to feed the nation will be a challenge. My heart goes out to them.
Ian
It is far worse than the recent event in Christchurch. I have concerns for my youngest son who is on Vancouver Island. Although it seems a remote possibility, all low lying Pacific Rim countries are potentially at risk.