Cold smoking temperatures
Cold smoking temperatures
What temperature is ideal for cold smoking fermented meats like salami, capacola. And bacon and cheese?
Im testing out my smokehouse to see how cold I can get temps, Its rainy and about 59F today. I was able to get it to hold at 76F. Im thinking that's too high. What do ya'll think?
Also, the smoke should be much thinner than if I was hot smoking, is that right?
Thanks,
Nick
Im testing out my smokehouse to see how cold I can get temps, Its rainy and about 59F today. I was able to get it to hold at 76F. Im thinking that's too high. What do ya'll think?
Also, the smoke should be much thinner than if I was hot smoking, is that right?
Thanks,
Nick
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Hi Nick, allow me to drop a paragraph from Stan's book on you! "Cold smoked meats prevent or slow down the spoilage of fats, which increases their shelf life. The product is drier and saltier with a more pronounced smoky flavor and very long shelf life. The color varies from yellow to dark brown on the surface and dark red inside. Cold smoked products are not submitted to the cooking process. If you want to cold smoke your meats, bear in mind that with the exception of people living in areas with a cold climate like Alaska, it will have to be done in the winter months just as it was done 500 years ago." ____Stan Marianski
Nick, cold smoking is a drying process usually involving many hours for several days or even weeks. On the other hand, hot-smoking is a smoking-prep cooking process usually finished relatively shortly (within hours). To ensure a constant breakdown of nitrate into nitrite in cold-smoking sausages, Cure #2 is most often used. However, it is important to note that occasionally, in some comminuted sausage recipes, the use of Cure #1 may be specified. Cold-smoked products are not usually smoked continuously as fresh air is usually allowed into the smoker at regular intervals to allow time for complete penetration of smoke deep into muscle tissues. As moisture leaves the meat, the product will become naturally rigid.
So, the answer to your question! Because fish begin to cook at 85°F. (30°C.), the temperature in most American "cold-smoke houses" is less than 85° F. (29°C.) and often much lower in order to prevent spoilage. In Russia and many parts of Europe, the upper limit has been 71°F. (22°C.).
Cold-smoked products must contain nitrite or nitrate/nitrite cures to be safe because even using thin smoke, oxygen is cut off and most obligate anaerobic bacteria, some facultative anaerobic bacteria, and even some microaerophile bacteria may thrive. Never cold-smoke fresh sausage or any meat product without using a curing agent.
Some dry-cured (raw) sausages are held for weeks in cold-smoke while they continue to dehydrate safely below .85 Aw. Initially they are protected from pathogenic bacteria by the sausage`s salt content. This affords their only protection while the lactic acid is being produced by lactobacilli and pediococci bacteria. Additionally, some semi-dry cured sausages may be cold-smoked after they have been prep-cooked. Again, although cold smoking is not a continuous process, it usually assures deep smoke penetration. It is usually discontinued overnight, allowing fresh air to assist with the uniform loss of moisture.
Good luck with your new smoker Nick. It's a beaut!
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Nick, cold smoking is a drying process usually involving many hours for several days or even weeks. On the other hand, hot-smoking is a smoking-prep cooking process usually finished relatively shortly (within hours). To ensure a constant breakdown of nitrate into nitrite in cold-smoking sausages, Cure #2 is most often used. However, it is important to note that occasionally, in some comminuted sausage recipes, the use of Cure #1 may be specified. Cold-smoked products are not usually smoked continuously as fresh air is usually allowed into the smoker at regular intervals to allow time for complete penetration of smoke deep into muscle tissues. As moisture leaves the meat, the product will become naturally rigid.
So, the answer to your question! Because fish begin to cook at 85°F. (30°C.), the temperature in most American "cold-smoke houses" is less than 85° F. (29°C.) and often much lower in order to prevent spoilage. In Russia and many parts of Europe, the upper limit has been 71°F. (22°C.).
Cold-smoked products must contain nitrite or nitrate/nitrite cures to be safe because even using thin smoke, oxygen is cut off and most obligate anaerobic bacteria, some facultative anaerobic bacteria, and even some microaerophile bacteria may thrive. Never cold-smoke fresh sausage or any meat product without using a curing agent.
Some dry-cured (raw) sausages are held for weeks in cold-smoke while they continue to dehydrate safely below .85 Aw. Initially they are protected from pathogenic bacteria by the sausage`s salt content. This affords their only protection while the lactic acid is being produced by lactobacilli and pediococci bacteria. Additionally, some semi-dry cured sausages may be cold-smoked after they have been prep-cooked. Again, although cold smoking is not a continuous process, it usually assures deep smoke penetration. It is usually discontinued overnight, allowing fresh air to assist with the uniform loss of moisture.
Good luck with your new smoker Nick. It's a beaut!
Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon
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Thanks Chuck. I remember that part now. I have three of Marianski's books.
What do you think the upper limit is for a slow fermented salami that I want to cold smoke? How about bacon?
By the way, I bought an 8 lb pork belly today from the Mexican grocery. As soon as it thaws Im wet curing it for cold smoked bacon.
What do you think the upper limit is for a slow fermented salami that I want to cold smoke? How about bacon?
By the way, I bought an 8 lb pork belly today from the Mexican grocery. As soon as it thaws Im wet curing it for cold smoked bacon.
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Nick, the ideal range is anywhere from 52°F to 71°F. If the temperature is lower, the fermentation process becomes interrupted. Too high, and the sausage begins to cook. The duration can be anywhere from one to fourteen days. In the summertime in Texas when the mercury climbs up that ol' thermometer in your back yard, you will have a tough time "cold smoking" unless you have your smoker air conditioned like many commercial outfits have done. There are many different "limitations" around the world. In some European countries, the upper limit reaches all the way up to 86°F believe it or not. (Remember fish starts to cook at 85°F). However, most top sausage-producing countries such as Poland, Germany, and Russia, observe the 71°F limit.
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The book says to dry at 135 degrees, raise temp to 160-165, apply smoke and remove at 152 deg. I usually dry with a fan, then smoke at 90-100 deg. for a minimum of 2hrs. Then I remove smoke, turn on my gas burner in the smoker with a giant pot of water, raise the temp to 155-160 and cook to 152 deg.
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