Question about oven temp - Canadian Bacon

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Question about oven temp - Canadian Bacon

Post by Tom J » Sat Jan 12, 2013 18:23

Canadian Bacon:
In Stanley, Adam and Robert Marianski book/Meat Smoking and Smokehouse Design. It says to "increase temperature to 150 ° F" and "stop when internal temp. gets to 142 ° F" there in is my question. How many hours, days or weeks should this take?

Butt Bacon:
Should it be debone and cut into thick strips before smoking or left hole?

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Post by Chuckwagon » Sat Jan 12, 2013 20:41

Hi Tom,

The temperature is increased slowly to avoid losing moisture. With sausage, the word "gradually" most importantly applies. If you are using a smokehouse to cook and smoke simultaneously, the heat is raised only two degrees or so, at twenty or thirty minute intervals. Whenever cooking whole-muscle meats, this rule is not quite as critical but nevertheless, it should be cooked slowly.

At 142°F the heat has surpassed the 138°F target where any possible trichinella spiralis is destroyed. This is called "prep cooking" in many circles. If the temperature is increased to a point much more than 150° (cooking temperature), the meat will simply cook too quickly, and in sausage, the fat will "break" - ruining your product. The texture will be dry and crumbly because the binding and lubricating power of the fat has been broken.

On the other hand, if the cooking temperature is much lower than 150°F, the slower cooking allows too much time at just the right temperature to lose moisture in the meat. In a whole-muscle meat, It will change the texture of the final product by slowly drying it out and will toughen it a little. It simply isn`t enough heat to "cook" the meat thoroughly.

So, somewhere in between these two extremes, there is an ideal temperature for prep-cooking. In other words, the rate of cooking has been figured out by someone with experience, to retain and maintain the highest amount of moisture, while achieving a temperature increase to 142°F. inside a cooking medium of 150°F.

In other words, if the cooking medium (oven) is 150°F., it will take a "calculated" amount of time to reach 142°F. This is part of the recipe - a critical part, if moisture is to be retained.

To answer your question directly, it will take a few hours to reach 142°F if the cooking medium is only 150°F, however... it is important not to rush this process by adding more heat. Many novices try to rush the process by cranking up the oven heat. When this happens, the fat breaks and the texture of the meat will turn out to be exactly like sawdust. Be patient. In some cases, the prep-cook time can even stretch into as much as 8 hours!

Cooking sausage is a balance of not too low and not to high temperatures. When just the right balance is achieved, you`ll become a sausage maker!

As far as the butt-bacon goes, yes remove the bone with as few strokes of the knife as you can. If you`re careful, you can really make a nice looking thick strip.

Don`t be afraid to ask questions. We`re here to help. I sure don`t know it all, but I make a hellofa good sourdough biscuit!

Best Wishes,
Chuckwagon
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Post by ssorllih » Sat Jan 12, 2013 21:14

TomJ. I cut cure and smoke butts like this: These are cured and tied ready to air dry to form a pellicle Image Two butts. This is the smoked result about eight to ten hours.Image And a sliced sample.Image
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Post by crustyo44 » Sun Jan 13, 2013 01:50

Ross,
Maz calls this FOOD-PORN. I fully agree. It's moisture content and the colour is 110%.
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Post by ssorllih » Sun Jan 13, 2013 02:51

Sometimes I manage to come pretty close. Thanks Jan.
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Post by Tom J » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:29

Ssorllih
Looks great and thanks. Will you post more about the smoke house temperatures?

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Post by ssorllih » Mon Jan 14, 2013 15:03

Tom J wrote:Ssorllih
Looks great and thanks. Will you post more about the smoke house temperatures?

Tom J
The control of temperature is strickly by dial thermometer and gas flame adjustment. I smoke below 130°F for several hours and then raise the temperature slowly to about 160°F and monitor the internal temperature to target about 150°F.
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Post by markjass » Mon Jan 14, 2013 22:29

Something else to think about. Oven temperatures vary a lot. That is why i have used a digital temperature to check the temperature of my oven (use a digital temp-erature to check the internal temperature of the meat). Fan baking tends to distribute the heat more evenly about the oven. However I have found that fan baking can dry the surface too quickly. On my oven fan baking is that it increases the temperature by 10-15 degrees c.

A while back there was a comment on one of the topics about sweating on their ?sausages in their smoker. Someone suggested that a solution was to bring the sausages up to room temperature. I have a cold smoker, to get around sweating after smoking (smoking temperature the is ambient temperature) I prop the oven door open with a fork for the first hour. I set the oven temperature to 80 degrees C and depending on the thickness of the sausage or meat it can take up to 5 hours to reach an internal temperature of 72 degrees C. I have found that temperatures as high as 90 degrees (dialed up temperature) has not resulted in cubes of fat (show meat style) have not melted.
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Post by tazplas » Wed Jan 16, 2013 14:46

I regularly make 'Canadian' bacon.
I use a Hark electric smoker and have it running at about 110 C. No probs with fat rendering and all works ok.
I pull it out when the internal temp is 65 or 67C
Tastes great as well.
BTW, most of my recipes are based on the Charcuterie book (Ruhlman & Polcyn) with a few tweaks thrown in and learning's from sites like this.

Cheers

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