Direct acidification with Lactic Acid in cooked salami: texture vs ferment
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 00:22
I used the SEARCH and read 33 topics on Lactic Acid, and 15 on citric acid. All but one were discussing lactic acid producion by bacterial ferment.
My question is this: in a cooked salami, why would meat texture from direct lactic acid addition be any worse or more crumbly than that achieved by a 2 or 3 day ferment using a culture?
Basically I want to make Taylor Pork roll, which is just a cooked fast salami made of ground butt with salt and pepper, acidified by a lactic ferment, then cooked via sous vide. I have various cultures, and a curing cave fridge setup. However, because Taylor Pork roll is just a fast ferment with little aging, thus little if any bacterial flavor enhancement, I'd like to try just adding lactic acid, using cure1 and sodium erythorbate accelerator, and going right to SV.
The topic of discussion I am interested in is texture degradation of sausage, crumbliness, caused by acid introduction before protein setting at 110f or so. Everyone constantly talks how citric acid will turn your sausage crumbly if you don't use the Encapsulated version to keep it from mixing with meat until 130f or so. But I have never seen anyone address the fact a fermented sausage will have days of lactic acid action on the proteins, which should ALSO result in a crumbly texture in a COOKED fermented product.
-- Is this just because there are few COOKED fermented products besides meat sticks and Taylor Pork Roll?
-- If I can ferment a pork roll salami for 2 to 5 days to acidify and then cook, or smoke and cook in the Case product, and have an acceptable sausage texture... then why can't I just add lactic acid and cook, reducing protein acid exposure from many days down to an hour or so?
I have plenty of ECA, but getting Encapsulated Lactic Acid is almost impossible in consumer amounts, so I'd like to try with just normal lactic acid powder. I am aware of Smooth Acid Blend lactic/citric supposedly encapsulated, but again sourcing is much harder accomplished than typed on the internet as a solution.
Thanks for any discussion on direct acid addition and texture in cooked sausage, or actual viable sourcing for Encapsulated Lactic Acid
My question is this: in a cooked salami, why would meat texture from direct lactic acid addition be any worse or more crumbly than that achieved by a 2 or 3 day ferment using a culture?
Basically I want to make Taylor Pork roll, which is just a cooked fast salami made of ground butt with salt and pepper, acidified by a lactic ferment, then cooked via sous vide. I have various cultures, and a curing cave fridge setup. However, because Taylor Pork roll is just a fast ferment with little aging, thus little if any bacterial flavor enhancement, I'd like to try just adding lactic acid, using cure1 and sodium erythorbate accelerator, and going right to SV.
The topic of discussion I am interested in is texture degradation of sausage, crumbliness, caused by acid introduction before protein setting at 110f or so. Everyone constantly talks how citric acid will turn your sausage crumbly if you don't use the Encapsulated version to keep it from mixing with meat until 130f or so. But I have never seen anyone address the fact a fermented sausage will have days of lactic acid action on the proteins, which should ALSO result in a crumbly texture in a COOKED fermented product.
-- Is this just because there are few COOKED fermented products besides meat sticks and Taylor Pork Roll?
-- If I can ferment a pork roll salami for 2 to 5 days to acidify and then cook, or smoke and cook in the Case product, and have an acceptable sausage texture... then why can't I just add lactic acid and cook, reducing protein acid exposure from many days down to an hour or so?
I have plenty of ECA, but getting Encapsulated Lactic Acid is almost impossible in consumer amounts, so I'd like to try with just normal lactic acid powder. I am aware of Smooth Acid Blend lactic/citric supposedly encapsulated, but again sourcing is much harder accomplished than typed on the internet as a solution.
Thanks for any discussion on direct acid addition and texture in cooked sausage, or actual viable sourcing for Encapsulated Lactic Acid